In episode #3 of The Cancer Doctor Podcast, we take an extraordinary journey with Dr. Carlos Bautista, a visionary in the realm of alternative cancer treatment. From exploring the unique trust policies within the Amish community to diving deep into the future of cancer therapies, Dr. Bautista opens up a new world of patient-centric care that challenges conventional wisdom. Don't miss this eye-opening episode as we unravel the mysteries of alternative medicine, discuss the transformative approaches at Immunity Therapy Center, and discover how hope and innovation are changing the landscape of cancer treatment.
In episode #3 of The Cancer Doctor Podcast, we take an extraordinary journey with Dr. Carlos Bautista, a visionary in the realm of alternative cancer treatment. From exploring the unique trust policies within the Amish community to diving deep into the future of cancer therapies, Dr. Bautista opens up a new world of patient-centric care that challenges conventional wisdom. Don't miss this eye-opening episode as we unravel the mysteries of alternative medicine, discuss the transformative approaches at Immunity Therapy Center, and discover how hope and innovation are changing the landscape of cancer treatment.
In this enlightening episode of The Cancer Doctor Podcast, we delve into a comprehensive conversation with Dr. Carlos Bautista. The episode covers a plethora of subjects ranging from crossing the border for healthcare, the Amish community's trust policy, to the future of cancer treatments. This episode provides a profound understanding of alternative cancer care and the holistic approaches at Immunity Therapy Center. This episode is sponsored by Immunity Therapy Center in Tijuana, Mexico.
[00:00:00] Crossing the border into Mexico for healthcare
[00:05:00] Travel Accommodations
[00:10:00] The Amish Community and Trust Policy
[00:15:00] Expectation of being cured in 4 weeks
[00:20:00] How fragile is your health
[00:25:00] Proactive measures for prevention and Montevale
[00:30:00] Classes and activities offered at the center
[00:35:00] Operating rooms and hospital details
[00:40:00] Free doctor consultations
[00:45:00] Treatments and testing
[00:50:00] Imaging and the importance of timing
[00:55:00] Length of patient stays at ITC
[01:00:00] Past patients and thank-you messages
[01:05:00] What patients should be aware of with a cancer diagnosis
[01:10:00] Doctors' beliefs and guidelines
[01:15:00] Treatments available in Mexico but not in the U.S.
[01:20:00] The future of cancer treatments and ITC
[01:25:00] Environmental variables affecting cancer
[01:30:00] What Dr. Bautista would do if he received a cancer diagnosis
[01:35:00] ITC's approach to care
[01:40:00] Timing and quick diagnosis
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Adrian Waldron, CEO at Cancer Doctor (00:00:00):
Hey listeners, thank you so much for listening to the Cancer Doctor podcast. My name is Adrian. I'm the producer of our podcast here at cancerdoctor.com. Before I turn it over to this eye-opening conversation with Dr. Carlos Baltista, where we learn more about Immunity Therapy Center and how they approach alternative cancer care, I just wanted to let you know this is part two of our series with Dr. Batista. So if you haven't listened to part one, click the link in the show notes and listen to that episode first for more context on this continued conversation. So without further ado, I'll turn it over to our amazing host, Robert Carillo.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:00:49):
Hey everyone. This podcast I want to let you know is brought to you by Immunity Therapy Center. Immunity Therapy Center is located in Tijuana, Mexico. You can find 'em at immunity therapy center.com. If anyone you know or you love or care about thinks they may be facing cancer or they have a cancer diagnosis, feel free to give them a call and contact them for a free medical doctor consultation. I wanted to talk to you about a really important topic now that always comes up when a patient, let's say in the United States or even Canada, is thinking about crossing the border into Mexico for healthcare. Some of the last data that I read, and this might've been from 2020, that there were I think approximately 2 million Americans that were leaving the United States for healthcare somewhere in the world, but out of this number, it was approximately 800,000 of them were going directly to Mexico for healthcare. Now, I find this really a surprising figure, especially in light of that there are those that believe going to Mexico is very dangerous for anything from taking a vacation or going for healthcare. Now, these 800,000 people that go to Mexico for healthcare in this particular year anyway, it is for a variety of ailments. It could be dentistry, it could be cancer, it could be bariatric surgery. There's all kinds of things that people go there for.
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What do you have to say to those that may be thinking it's not safe to go to Mexico for healthcare?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:02:37):
Well, that's a issue that we have to deal with all the time, unfortunately, particularly in Tijuana, the reputation that we have, it's exactly what you're saying, things that happen other areas automatically, we are in the same spot, even if something happens in Yucatan, which is in the other side of the country. But yeah, definitely that's an issue and that's why we always ask when we ask for a testimonial, that's one of the reasons why we ask about their environment, what they think about the city. Tijuana is any other big city where there are areas that you're not supposed to go. And it's something that it's hard for us to do something about because it's the press as a media, the image that we have. But I can assure you that it's safe and that if you go with treatment, nothing will happen. And it's just like being in any other big city. I was well from you yesterday that there's a lot of crime, for example in Atlanta, right? They're saying that or in other areas and very unfortunate situation, but it doesn't mean that it's a bad place. It means that you need to be careful and go and do what you're supposed to do or what you want and that's it. But particularly with Tijuana, it's an issue that we have. Very unfortunate, but I think the service that we provide that it's unique and you cannot get the type of treatment that you get with us anywhere else.
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It is worth it.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:04:36):
Definitely. Yeah, and you're right. I mean there's crime is everywhere in the world and evil people can exist anywhere in the United States. There are cities that are not safe. There's certain areas where you wouldn't walk in the middle of the night down the street. It's just not wise. So I don't view personally Tijuana any different. Tijuana has really grown over the years. I remember when I was a little boy and we used to go to Tijuana, it just wasn't. I think today I think the population, Tijuana is over 2 million people, something like that.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:05:09):
We have a lot of floating population that comes and goes. But yeah, definitely around that two 3 million.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:05:16):
And I've met people that have relocated at Tijuana from all over the world. All over the world. I've seen Asians.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:05:25):
Well, the thing is that a lot of people that try to cross the border, they're returned there and they stay there. There's a lot of Haitians that came a lot from Venezuela, a lot of sense from all over
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:05:40):
The world. It's like a retirement.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:05:43):
Well, they stay there, they return them to Mexico and that's where they stay. And actually they do good. There's a lot of work in Tijuana. They do good if they work and they are good people, they're welcome.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:06:02):
I mean, there is a high number of Americans now that retire in Tijuana or right across the border. And so obviously when I think about this, I think, well, it's a lot cheaper. Yeah, it's a lot cheaper. But I'm thinking, well, it must have a fair amount of safety or else it wouldn't be moving there.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:06:24):
I don't know. Well, there's a lot of US citizens going living in between Tijuana and Ensenada, even a little bit more south than that. Yeah, there's a huge US community.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:06:41):
Interesting. Okay, that's good to know because the viewers need to know that there are Americans that are living down there. You got people from all over. Oh yeah.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:06:51):
Thousands of people
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:06:52):
Because everything we hear in the news hear about it. Well, the negative news, I should say, drug cartels watch out. But Mexico is also a fairly, it's bigger than just the Tijuana, and so there's parts of the country are five hours away or six hours away traveling down south. So it's some of the things you hear happening much further away than we are a
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:07:18):
Huge country and huge. And there's many different, and yeah, there are these crime organizations, but again, if you don't go to the wrong places or you'll be fine. That's good. Yeah, no problem.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:07:45):
And one of the things that you do at Immunity Therapy Center is you pick up people at the airport. Tell us about that, what that looks like and why you do that and
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:07:56):
Well, we want to make it as easy as possible. We understand that transportation when they come into Mexico could be a little bit difficult. So we have our own vehicles and we pick up patients, whatever. Not only the airport, if they come by train, we go to the train station or we go whatever they tell us and we pick them up and bring them to the hospital. And yeah, we do all the time. Jose Valenzuela is one of our drivers and we have other drivers as well. He coordinates everything and he's been with me since the very beginning as well, and we try to make it as easy as possible for the patients to have a good experience.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:08:46):
Yeah, Jose's a good man and he's picking him up in the San Diego airport in Southern California is what he's doing all the time. Yeah, the train
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:08:51):
Station we swap even to LA or whatever we will. Any effort to bring patients to our hospital, meaning that we want to make it easy.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:09:04):
That's good to know. One of the things that struck me about Immunity Therapy Center is the high numbers of the Amish community that are going there for healthcare. How is that happening and how are they finding out? I mean, they obviously aren't on the internet. They're not on the internet. And I've taken aback that I've met when I've been there, the Amish, and they come with their families. They're very supportive of one another. They're incredible. They have an incredible culture as far as their family culture is just fantastic. Good people. Yeah. What are you doing to make contact with?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:09:49):
Well, it's been a process. It's not like one day to the next. It's been a process of giving them good results. There's different very big communities, mostly in the northeast of the US at least that's what I know. But actually, my first contact with Amish people was in Mennonite people. It was with a community in Belize. Oh, really? That was in Chihuahua as well. In Mexico, really. There's a big community and I don't know, it's been worth of mouth more than anything because we treated some back many years ago. We treated some patients. They did well, they were cured, and most of them with them is word of mouth. They tell their family and their friends about us, and that's how it happened. It's been a process. It's not something in particular that we do other than give them good results and treat them well. And obviously we go to their fairs and events that they invite us to go, and that's how we build a relationship with them. And we are very happy to receive them and to give them good results. Yeah, and good number of patients that come in are from that community.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:11:26):
That's great. That's really good because when I think about the Amish community, trust is really important for them. They have to trust you in order to take that step.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:11:38):
We're very transparent and we want to make sure that we give them their best option and we're very clear, and definitely not only with them, but with everybody. That sort policy that we, because you know what, in this situation with alternative medicine, there's been a lot of fraud, taking advantage of patients and people, and we don't want to do that. Absolutely. That's why we want to be very clear and very emphasized on what we can do, what we can offer or limits. And I think Amish people like that and everybody like that, and they always see that we make our best effort to help them.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:12:32):
Very good. Very good. There's a couple of things that you said that I want to develop a little bit. You've made it really clear that when you communicate with potential new patients, that you set the expectation about what you can do and what you can't do. And a little while ago, you were mentioning the Amish and some of them had results, and you used the word cure, right? They were cured, and so they told others, and I'm assuming that when you say cure, hey, they went into remission or there was no evidence of disease.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:13:01):
Yeah. Well, I'm telling you cure, because these are patients that we treated many years ago and now they're cured. Obviously when I use that word, it's because they already went through a process of many years without the presence of cancer. And yeah, we have many thank God many cases like that, but when they contact us for the first time, we want to make sure, because some people have these unreal expectations. Sometime that is not, and that's why we try to avoid to get into those situations because then likely if it's a situation where sometimes we cannot even accept the patient, but that's why we have our initial evaluation in their cases that we're not sure exactly how it's going to go. So we just tell them realistically what you can expect. So we just want to prevent conflict and just making sure that they understand that they understand their current clinical condition and what they can expect. So that's important for us. So when I use the word cure right now in this conversation, it's because patients that I am referring to are without cancer activity for many years.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:14:39):
Are we talking like over five years? 10 years? At
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:14:41):
Least five years.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:14:43):
At least five years. Okay. Okay. That's good to know. Alright, that's really good to know. Yeah, because you mentioned some patients are coming in and their expectations are really high. They may be thinking they can come to immunity therapy center or some facility like Immunity therapy center and maybe be cured a cancer in a week or three weeks or four weeks. And so explain though miracles are possible, right? I mean I'm not going to, we've seen it. Yeah.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:15:13):
I'm not going to tell you otherwise,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:15:15):
But why isn't the idea that in a week or two or three weeks you could just make cancer disappear? Why is that expectation not fair? Why is that? That's unreasonable. I mean, as a medical doctor, I'm asking this question to you. What's
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:15:31):
The answer? The thing is that cancer has many variables. It has many factors that can cause a cancer, and sometimes cancer already affected many organ function. That's mainly the reason that sometimes organs are affect, for example, let's say a colon cancer that went to the liver. That's the most frequent area where colon cancers metastasized and affects the function. And already we have a very difficult or deteriorated organ function. So patients with that problem, for example, is going to be more difficult because our liver is not processing the treatments and all the vitamin vitamins correctly. So there's other factors other than just the cancer that can make things more difficult. So we can kill the cancer, but the liver, it's already affected and that's difficult to recover. For example, it's not only us killing the cancer, it has other variables and other factors around the nutrition part, the liver, the toxicity, there's other factors around it that definitely we don't know exactly what is going to happen in certain patients with other ones. Because of our experience, we have a pretty good idea how things might go or what our chances are of putting them in remission.
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But that will be the reason more than anything.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:17:32):
That's good. It's good to know that you mentioned the liver, and when I think about the liver, I think about this organ that we need to filter everything right that's coming through and if it's impaired, that's difficult. And I'm asking this next question based upon what you just said, but help the patient understand right now how fragile just health in general can be that a lot of times I think we take our health for granted, Hey, I'm healthy. I'm feeling good. I can run, I play. But as a medical doctor, trying to explain to somebody watching this how health can be very fragile at times and it could just go the wrong way to a place that you were not expecting and it just takes you way down a road that's very dark and very painful is suffering. Educate us about how fragile health is.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:18:28):
Well, you said it. Sometimes we don't understand how fragile, how easy things can go wrong and how so many things needs to be very well balanced to be healthy. We have in our body a million different systems, enzymes, hormones, I don't know. So many different substances, and that needs to be very well timed and checked and balanced and balance. And so at any time for whatever reason, things can go wrong. We are producing, for example, cancer cells every day, and our body immune system sometimes for it's able to keep it in check, but sometimes because something happens, these cancers start to reproduce. And it could be from you were being exposed to a toxic that make that immune system go low a little bit and that will be the opportunity for these cells to grow. Or it could be, I don't know that you ate something and your body's not able to fight the bacteria that came in the food.
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So I don't know. We're exposed to a million things different all the time, different viruses Lately, the covid thing that happened, the pandemic. So we are always, the body's being constantly, there will be aggression to the body all the time, even from the environment. Nowadays, unfortunately, or environment is getting more toxic with different chemicals, water and our food everywhere and things go wrong easily. That's why we're seeing nowadays instead of things getting better, getting worse with not only cancer, but chronic degenerative disease like diabetes nowadays a very severe public health issue with high blood pressure, autoimmune problems, arthritis, all these other things that are happening. Definitely has a lot to do with our environment, with what we eat, what we do, the lack of exercise. So definitely our health is very fragile. Going back to that, and there are so many things that will attack us that we have to be on guard and do the best we can to try to prevent that. Cancer, unfortunately is a consequence of the same. Definitely.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:21:31):
Okay. So it sounds like if there was ever a time for us to be proactive with our health because of the environment, because of the things we're exposed to today that maybe our grandparents weren't exposed to. Exactly. Because of all the exposure, now is the time to be very proactive with your own healthcare. In other words, it's your best insurance policy. Take care of your health, respect your health
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:21:55):
As much as you can. Obviously there will be things that you don't even know about that we don't even know about. But yeah, definitely as much as we can, definitely we need to be proactive, like you said, on taking care of ourselves and prevent these diseases from happening.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:22:16):
What are some simple changes regarding being proactive that people should incorporate into their life? Things that really, because there's so many systems in play in our body, but what are some things that people should,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:22:31):
There's a lot of information out there about diet, exercising. Actually, we are having a new facility called Monte, and that is a place where a patient, or we don't call them patients, we call them guests, and we have some, for example, some detoxification process, IVs like chelation and glutathione, curcumin, there's different therapies, hyperbaric oxygen. Definitely if you can be proactive doing those kind of things every year or so, definitely that can help you a lot boosting your health. But I will tell that maybe one of the best things that you can do to prevent all of those chronic degenerative diseases is diet and exercise. That will be the key elements.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:23:34):
Okay, great. I diet.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:23:36):
Yeah, a low sugar diet. Low sugar
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:23:38):
Diet.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:23:39):
Okay. I'll
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:23:40):
Say, right? Yeah. We've heard quite a bit how cancer feeds off sugar, so okay, diet and exercise. Two probably most important things a person can do. And you mentioned Avaya, so this is a health center retreat that you operate for people that want to go there annually and invest in their own healthcare
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:24:01):
In Via Guadalupe here in ADA or wine country, there is becoming very famous. And that facility was because of the need that I saw on healthy people, healthy unquote, trying to prevent diseases, having the opportunity to get IVs and to be able to go into a big chamber and have these other biomagnetic, anti-inflammatory treatments, definitely nowadays, I think that is necessary for everybody to do, to continue being healthy because the environment is getting so polluted right now that you won't be able to do it by yourself, all of it. You definitely need some help like that to achieve better health and to feel better.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:25:00):
So you're also working in prevention?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:25:02):
I'm working on prevention and we have I T C where we treat, unfortunately, all these patients that already develop cancer in fighting their current situation. But definitely we try to prevent people developing these type of problems and that's why I made this or created this other facility and we're starting, let's see how it goes. It's a really nice resort. We have all the meditation, yoga, all of those type of activities in combination with these other treatments that I just mentioned. We have a reflexology path, we have a meditation labyrinth. We have a very nice restaurant where we provide very good food and diet and the surroundings are beautiful.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:26:01):
That's good. That's really good. You're
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:26:03):
Invited, Robert. Anytime you want,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:26:06):
Lemme take you up on that offer. Yeah. One of the things over at Immunity Therapy Center, you mentioned this earlier, was the role of nutrition with the patients when you're getting the updates every day. You mentioned something about if we have to make an adjustment to their nutrition plan. You have a couple of nutritionists there on staff. We have three nutritionists. Name 'em for me. The three,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:26:27):
Fernanda, Fernanda, Mariana and Nicola. Got
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:26:35):
It. Okay. So they're the three nutritionists. And so they're the ones responsible for making sure that each patient is getting their nutritional meats net. Exactly when they're at immunity therapy center. Okay.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:26:46):
Yeah,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:26:46):
Because you guys have a full-blown kitchen and chef and dining area and all that. Yes, we
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:26:51):
Do. But before, when the patient come in, one of the first things they do is they go and have their nutritional evaluation because sometimes many times cancer patients are malnourished. They are not getting the, there is this belief for some reason that having calorie deprived diets are good for cancer. And that's the case.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:27:17):
Calorie restriction, you're saying? Yeah.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:27:18):
Calorie restriction diets. The thing is that your immune system needs the nutrients to work properly and there is certain amount of calories that are needed to maintain the weight because in cancer you don't want to lose weight, but there is a lot of very different information on different diets that patients follow and that's what they do. But when they come in, we see where they're lacking all because usually they're lacking nutrients. So we try to incorporate that through nutrition and give them the proper calorie intake with a low sugar diet, a low glucose, a low glycemic index diet. But we want to give them the amount of calories that they need for their immune system to function and to preserve weight or recover some of the weight loss. Sometimes we need to, if they're very malnourished, sometimes we use parenteral nutrition as well, nutrition by the vein, and well, we do whatever we need to do to make sure that they are getting the calories that they require. That's very important.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:28:37):
So you want to hit those nutritional goals on a daily basis
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:28:40):
Because that, again, one of the main things that we do, it's immune system or trying to stimulate the immune system and nutrition is very key for that as well. And the a deprived nutrient diet immune system won't function well, won't respond well.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:29:01):
That's good to know that. It's really good to know that. Okay, great. If a patient has, let's just, you want to hit these nutritional goals like caloric goals and calories, but if a patient comes in and they have a, I dunno, a specific diet that they stick to, there's certain things that they don't eat, for example, do you work with them or
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:29:24):
We work with them. If they have a specific allergy, obviously we won't give them the allergy more than anything. We try to make them understand why they need those that we are wanting them to have, what is the reason behind it and try to demonstrate, and they usually go along with, because most of the time it's very empiric where they're following, they really don't know it's because somebody told them more. They read some on somewhere in the internet that this is good for cancer and that's what they do. And when you tell them facts and the reasons behind it and why we want to maybe change the diet a little bit, they understand most of the time.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:30:16):
That's great. That's great. Typically, it seems that most people have a very poor diet, not a great diet, just in general day-to-day living, at least here in the US it seems that way. I mean, we have fast food restaurants in every street corner. People live all fast. Food
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:30:36):
Is very good.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:30:38):
It tastes good, right? Yeah,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:30:39):
It tastes good.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:30:40):
Yeah. Have you seen patients that go into immunity therapy center and they're put on a tailored nutritional program where they've actually benefited in the short term just by having, oh
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:30:56):
Yeah. Having a good diet doesn't mean that it doesn't taste good. So we try to make tasty food, so they like it and most of the time they follow up with the diet that they aren't having I T C, and that's because it is very nutritious, good for them, but also tastes good. They like what we prepare different recipes and dishes that we prepare. So yeah, definitely they benefit quickly. When you give the proper diet, patients will notice difference with their energy and with their stamina quickly just because of that.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:31:42):
That's great. When they go home, are the nutritionists available if a patient needs to contact them after they go home, if they wanted a recipe or wanted to ask 'em a question about something? Oh yeah. They're available
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:31:54):
All the time. And actually when they leave, all the patients meet with their doctors for a home program. But also the nutritionist will meet with them to make sure that they follow their nutritional guidelines and the objectives that we have, and we even go with their recipe booklet, I think.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:32:13):
Okay. That's great. Something else too that I noticed when I was there, and it seems like this is a regular part of what you do for the patients. I think it's three days a week. You have three different classes during the week for patients where they can go into a meeting room and I think on one day you explain all the treatments that they're having. There's a doctor in there explaining these are all the treatments. And then there's another day on nutrition and I forget what the third day is about. But
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:32:46):
Yeah, we have different activities throughout the week. We have three days a week group meditation, for example. We have a welcome orientation where we explain the guidelines or the general information. We have two nutrition classes. One of the nutrition classes is just to try to understand the nutrients and what it means, what they do. And we have the other nutrition class, which is more like how to prepare the food, those on Fridays. And we have other classes as well about the different treatments that we do. And those are the four different classes that we have throughout the week.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:33:35):
That's fantastic. Yeah,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:33:36):
Tuesday through Friday.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:33:37):
So the patients are getting an education.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:33:41):
Well, it's important that they understand why we do what we do, and we always are talking with them personally, their doctors, myself, about it, but also in a more general in a class. So they understand the science behind it more than anything.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:34:03):
So they're not just doing this blindly, they have a better understanding of why they're doing and then they could put their faith and trust in the whole process itself.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:34:10):
Exactly. That's also true, but it's important for me that they understand what we're doing or the objectives that we have with each different treatment, the reason why we're giving them that treatment in combination with the other ones.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:34:26):
That's great. I want to go back and revisit something you said earlier. We were talking about you have a hospital inpatient, you have outpatients, and those that are non-functional may need to stay in the hospital, et cetera. But you mentioned also that you have a couple of operating rooms that you're equipped with, and so if there's an emergency, or maybe it's not even an emergency, maybe it's a preventative measure that must be taken, but you're equipped to do surgeries
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:34:52):
There. Yeah, we are a full certified hospital. We have latest technology and very well, we're whatever you will find in a very good hospital here in the US in their surgical situation, unavoidable surgical situation. Sometimes there are patients that have very big tumors that are causing sepsis or infection, and you need to remove that tumor that it's already infected. There are times where there's suddenly bowel obstructions that you need to correct. I don't know. There's a lot of different surgical scenarios that we need to be able to do. Normally our oncology surgeon is Dr. Savala, Jorge Zavala. He helped us a lot there. And we have state of the art surgery room to the point right now, I was mentioning that we need to build another one because one is not enough right now. And so trying to be as complete as we can in the service that we provide,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:36:07):
That's fantastic. So everything is there on site and anything the patient needs, they can receive it right there on site,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:36:14):
Whatever is needed. Yeah,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:36:16):
That's wonderful. How many patients are you able to serve there every day? Yeah.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:36:25):
Well, we have a number of, right now we're a little bit full. We have 35 patients or so, but I'm comfortable with 25, 28 patients on a daily basis. Outpatients? Inpatients, it's a separate system, so they have their own nurses and they own, but as an outpatient, probably I feel comfortable with around 28, 30 patients or so. That's where we feel comfortable with the amount of staff that we have and the amount of devices that we have, because obviously if we have more than that, we need more staff and we need more devices and things in complicate a little bit. So we try to keep it like that.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:37:12):
When a patient comes in for the day, how many days a week are they going to be there? And when they come in, how many hours of the day are they going to be there for?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:37:22):
Normally they are there for Monday through Saturday. We let them rest. Sunday, we have to shift the morning shift and the afternoon, the morning shift. Patients come in around eight, they finish their treatment around 12 o'clock in the afternoon. We do a series of treatments, therapies, IVs, et cetera, every day. The afternoon shifts coming around 1 12 31, and they finish around 7, 7 30 in the afternoon. So it's like six, seven hours or they're going to be there at the hospital getting treatments. And we let them, like I mentioned, all of them rest on Sunday.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:38:11):
And while they're there, they have their meals there as well, whether it's breakfast or lunch or separate dinner.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:38:15):
Exactly. Or dinner, whatever.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:38:16):
Okay, got it. Yeah,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:38:17):
We provide that. Yeah.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:38:18):
The outpatients, where are they staying at? Where do they go afterwards? We
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:38:22):
Have our own apartment complex where they can stay. We have a limited room of apartments there and different hotels and around the hospital support us with us. There's Aquar Hotel, there is the ine. There is a, well, there's different ones that usually patients like a lot the courts that's near where we are, where our building is and they take them to the hospital and pick them up and return them to the hotel. We do the same with patients that are staying at our apartment I t C apartment. So yeah, we try to make it easy for everybody.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:39:16):
Okay, that's fantastic. That's really, really good. So alright, great. One thing that you offer everybody that contacts Immunity Therapy Center is a free doctor consultation before they come talk to us about that. I mean, a lot of times when I think about going to the doctor, I think, well, I got to pay the doctor to see him or to talk to him or whatever. But explain this.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:39:39):
Well, again, going back to what we were talking about initially, we want to make sure that we are going to be able to help. That's why it's very important for me that the doctors talk with the patient first contact when they request. First of all, it's for ourselves to see how much help we can provide.
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There's sometimes that patient call us in situations where we're not able to help and we tell them that we're not able to receive them because of this or that. Also, sometimes patients want to know what they're going to do or what the treatment consists of, and it's important that comes from a doctor that knows what the intention of each therapy with a particular situation is. So yeah, it goes both ways. So it's for the benefit of the patient coming, trying for them to understand what we're trying to do. But it's also for us to know that we are able to help and that we don't want somebody that we are not able to help to come with no objective or very precise objective or goal.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:41:06):
Okay, fantastic. And this is a phone call they're making to your
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:41:10):
Teachers? Definitely. When they contact us first and they send their lead, their information, we contact them and ask them when they want these consultation to happen and we schedule it and we follow up on it.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:41:26):
If somebody calls Immunity Therapy Center today, could they get a doctor consultation today?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:41:31):
Yeah, absolutely. If they want to. Yeah, absolutely.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:41:33):
Same day. Same day. No waiting a week or two weeks? No,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:41:37):
No, no. Not at all. No. Again, communication and having fast communication is very important for us. So yeah, we will accommodate one way or the other. If the patient wants to talk with somebody the same day, we make sure that they talk with a doctor the same day.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:41:56):
It's a breath of fresh air.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:41:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:41:59):
That's fantastic. How many total treatments or therapies does a patient receive in any given day? Just approximately? It's
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:42:07):
Around not counting the IVs, probably around eight to 10 treatments every day, different therapies or whatever as we do a customized treatment for each patient. So we depends on their condition, their diagnosis, but usually they do around eight to 10 treatments every day.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:42:33):
Plus the IVs.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:42:34):
Plus the IVs. Yeah,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:42:35):
So you just said something. So the patients are not all receiving the same exact protocol? It's tailored.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:42:42):
It's tailored to their needs. Obviously we use whole body hyperthermia, for example, with everybody, but depends on their situation, the time and the intensity. The same with local hyperthermia or rife, for example, therapy. They will receive different frequencies specific for them. Local hyperthermia will be specifically for the type of tumor that they have or the time that they need for that particular treatment. So like that with everybody. It is customized, yeah.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:43:17):
Okay. That's good to know. And then during those daily meetings that you have with your doctors, any adjustments that need to be made for a patient will get adjusted depending on the present condition.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:43:28):
Obviously we were talking about the low dose targeted form of chemo that we have, like the D P T or I P T. Medications are different for everybody depending their type of cancer, of course. So yeah, things change. There's some things that we do apparently the same, but it's different. We might be using the same device but with a very different intensity or time than other patient.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:43:52):
Okay, got it. And how do you monitor the patient, how they're progressing on a day-to-day basis? Are there tests you're running or what do you do?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:44:03):
Well, there's some cancers that we can do tumor markers on a weekly basis. There's some cancers that we can follow up with C e A or P SS a or different tumor markers for different types of cancers. There are other ones that we use CT scan. We have our own CT scan at the hospital, so we do imaging studies, so we do the same conventional to follow up on their response. Okay. Yeah.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:44:34):
Got it. One of the things that I would like you to address, and I don't know if it's more rumor or factual, but you'll let us know. In the United States, the medical decisions seem to be driven by blood labs and images, but in Mexico it seems that its blood labs are taken into consideration images and then also how the patient is presenting themself. This third component, which doesn't always seem to come into play in the us, is this accurate? Is this true? And if so, why? Or
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:45:11):
Definitely it's important. One, the most important thing is that the patient feel better and that the pain subsides or their symptoms go away. Obviously that's a good way of us knowing with clinical experience that things are going well. Obviously you want to be most of the time or you want to be a little bit more objective than that. So definitely tumor markers nowadays are, there's a lot of different things that can throw off a tumor marker, infections, nutritional condition. There's a lot of different factors that can throw off a tumor marker in blood. So we need to be careful with that. Actually, many places they're not doing tumor markers anymore because of that reason. So one of the most objective ways of knowing exactly how things are doing is through CT scan or a PET scan. Imaging obviously is a gold standard to evaluate the response.
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Timing, it's important when to do these tests is important because you need to wait until the full effect of all the treatments are visible. If you do it before, normally we want to wait a month or two months in between CT scans at least because sometimes treatments take time to reflect their response. So that's why sometimes patients want to know quickly how they're doing, but sometimes we need to wait. Obviously, CT scanner, CT scans, PET scans, all of these tests have toxicity in relation with them. So you cannot do them too often. Could be not good for the cancer situation itself. So definitely you want wait, but the best way to find out how you're doing is through an imaging study, either M R I or CT scan or PET scan or something like that.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:47:28):
So patients, after they get treatments, it's better to wait, let those treatments have their effect and then get a couple months down the line or maybe three, I don't know, and then do an image to get a better snapshot. Because if you take a snapshot too soon, it may not tell the whole story just yet. No,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:47:47):
With we are attacking a cancer, we are attacking through different treatments, we are attacking the cancer. So it's like when you have a hit on your eye, it will inflame. It's the same with the tumor. If you are attacking it and hitting it with different things is going to create initially an inflammatory response, it could look even bigger than what really is. That's what I'm trying to say. So you want to wait until that process goes away to really see how it is,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:48:24):
Let it go through its death cycle if it's dying or whatever. Exactly. That's
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:48:27):
Exactly what
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:48:28):
I need. Got it. Alright, that's good. That's good for everybody to understand because I'm sure and rightfully so for a cancer patient, they're anxious, right? They're anxious to get better. They're hoping that they're going to get better.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:48:48):
Usually when patients come in and they start doing our treatments, they feel better. And that's one of the best markers that we have, that they feel better is their whole point.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:48:58):
And typically, when a patient goes in initially, how long are they going to be there for typically?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:49:03):
Well, there's some patients that can be there for three weeks. Obviously there are circumstances many times that we request patients to stay a little bit longer than that, usually between six to nine weeks because majority of the patients that we receive are in a stage four where the cancer unfortunately spread to other areas, and we might need more time. Obviously three weeks sounds like a lot, but when dealing with this situation, most of the time is not enough. So sometimes they need to stay a little bit longer than three weeks. But some cases they stay, not all of them. If patients cannot stay, we give them a home program, but usually three weeks is enough for us in some cases to have a very good response. So only in advanced situations we request them to stay a little bit longer.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:50:06):
So most of these patients that are coming on are stage four, and so if they're stage four, they've already had conventional treatment, most of them.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:50:15):
Most of them, they come already with probably, I will say around 85, 90% already come with previous treatments.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:50:27):
So their immune systems are already impaired. They're already in a difficult situation,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:50:32):
And even in those situations, we're able to get good results.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:50:36):
Wow. Yeah. I mean the human body is an amazing creation. It's
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:50:40):
An amazing creation. Yeah, absolutely. If you give them what they need to heal, likely heal will happen.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:50:50):
Okay. So you're just creating the environment for the body to set itself up to fight and to get better. One of
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:50:57):
The things that we do, many times we have to be very proactive on destroying the tumor that it's already there. But also very important part of it is like you're saying, creating the right conditions for the body to heal.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:51:12):
I know one of the things that is real important as you're assessing the patient is when you have to come to that decision that you've already done all can, they really need to go home, and nobody likes to talk about losing or death or dying or what have you, but the reality is we're all going to pass away from something. But as a medical doctor, as you're looking and assessing patients on a daily basis, what are the factors in the human body that have to happen where you say to yourself, they need to go home now, done all we can, they really need to go home. What are some things that you're looking at functionally in a body? The human body,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:52:01):
Specifically the bilirubin levels that it's one of the main markers that we have. Liver function in general, more particular bilirubin, total bilirubin levels. When we see a patient that already have a very deteriorated, deteriorated liver function where the total bilirubin levels are increasing and they're developing this jaundice, if there is a bilirubin that it's increasing higher than nine 10, that means that likely they need to go home. Particularly, that will be the key issue. Obviously there are other reasons that we tell patients to go back home. It's where there's a situation that we see that we're not seeing any response or that very small amount, but sometimes, unfortunately, we see it. And that happens likely because patients have a lot of chemotherapy before and their immune system, it's already depleted. They lose the ability to respond. That happens, unfortunately, when receive a lot of chemotherapy, your immune system loses the ability to respond. So that sometimes happens. There are patients that because of that develop pneumonias or infections or situations where they can be deal with better. In a US hospital, infections, strokes, or things like that. We have to remember that the main objective that they're there is because of their cancer situation and the alternative treatment, their alternative therapy treatment that they're going to receive. So all of those situations that happen and we're not able to deal with, that's when we tell the patient that is better to get to a US hospital. US hospitals are really good with those issues, and then when they deal with that situation and they get better, they can always come back. That happens often
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With those type of patients.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:54:38):
That's good to know that. It's good to know that there is a plan in place, and obviously you're a medical doctor, but if the patient passes this threshold, we need to let them know. Yeah, absolutely. It's time to leave, get back home, get to a US hospital, what have you. That's fair. That's good. It's better to know the facts.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:54:54):
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And again, we're human and we're very serious about the work we do, and we're trying to get them better, but unfortunately sometimes that patients are very depleted. They're very immunologically speaking physically. So sometimes we do as much as we can and sometimes we have to make those decisions.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:55:21):
Right.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:55:21):
Yeah.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:55:22):
I remember I was at Immunity Therapy Center, and I was wondering, I think it was a meeting room that's there for the patients, but there is a plaque up on the wall that a family gave you, and I think it was on behalf of the care you gave to the mother. I think it was Mrs. Reyes was her name or maybe Roge.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:55:42):
No, I think
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:55:46):
Somebody gave you, it was a family that gave you a plaque and thanked you for the amount of care that you gave to the patient. It's in
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:55:53):
The
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:55:53):
Period of time.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:55:54):
It's in the, let me remember. It's in the conference room.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:55:59):
Yes, the conference room. That's where it's at, the conference room
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:56:02):
That it's a Francisco mother. I remember her Well, it's a lady from Tijuana, actually. Local patient, difficult because the people that they know you is hard. So yeah, it was Francisco's mother and a friend of a family member. She had a very rare type of cancer and very depleted, and she came to us in a very bad situation, and we were able to help her for years. Unfortunately, she passed away, but the family was very grateful for all the efforts that we did. And actually, she responded well for many years, and they send us, and that's one that I put there because a local family that we know and means a lot to us. So I put it there, but thank God we receive many of those messages. If you go to my office, you'll see my whole office full of cards and thank you cards and messages and letters that they sent me, and yeah, that's what we like. And that's probably a good parameter to see the good results that we're having.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:57:34):
Yeah, because really touching, when you get a message like that from a family member and their loved one has passed on, because we always think of, well, the win is always I get better and I get healed. But the reality is sometimes that doesn't happen. Sometimes someone passes on, but when the surviving family members are saying, thank you for the care that you gave to my mom or my dad or my husband or wife or what have you, that's really important because especially coming out of Covid in the United States, there were people that were separated from their loved ones that were in a hospital with Covid, and their family member actually died in a hospital alone.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:58:11):
Up to this day, they don't allow you to go in into any US hospital to this day. If you have cancer, you go by yourself alone. Nowadays, they're relaxing a little bit more the policy. But usually a normal visit cannot happen for many years now,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:58:31):
Between a family member and the patient to
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:58:32):
Today, if you go to a sharp hospital, they won't let you in. So family support is really important for the patient. Extremely. And going back to the situation of, well just mentioned sharp, but any hospital in the us, and that's because of Covid, but well, those are just policy things going back to us, how we feel, it feels great. That's what we do. And that's a goal that we want. Obviously we always expect the best outcome, ideal outcome, and we fight with all we have for that. But sometimes when family members see that we are doing our best and we're trying to help them in any way we can humanly possible, they are grateful and they recognize that and we feel very good about it, and to give them that comfort and to give them that reassurance that we're going to keep doing what we think is right and helping them.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (00:59:52):
It's a kind of care you wish your dad would've received?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (00:59:55):
Yeah, basically unconsciously or subconsciously. That's what I wanted. That's what I wanted, some support, because we were alone completely. We were having the treatments, but no direction, no understanding, or even though I was a doctor back then, already a young, very young doctor, but I didn't have the experience that I have right now, obviously. But yeah, definitely that's the care that I will like for my father back then that we didn't get.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:00:31):
That's
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:00:31):
Great, unfortunately.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:00:32):
Great. Well, you're paying it forward. You're giving it to others, and that's what matters.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:00:35):
I'm trying to make a difference in that way, if you can say that.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:00:40):
Absolutely. That's great. Dr. Batista, what is the number one thing that a patient should know or become aware of when they get a cancer diagnosis?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:00:53):
There are options. Most of the time when patients get news like this, it's a shock. It's a shock for the patient itself and the family and everybody around. So the decision-making process sometimes is not with a clear mind. So probably the first thing is to take things calmly, not panic, because it's not easy to get news like this. And you have to think really well, your options. Usually doctors mostly here in the States, but that's a rule everywhere. They will go right into the worst case scenario. If you get a cancer situation, the patient, the news or the information they have is you're going to die. Basically. That's the most more. When they find metastasis or they find that it's a little bit outside or lymph nodes are affected or something like that, the mind goes, or the information actually that they receive is very grim, very negative information. And that's understandable. There's a legal part of it that here is very important, probably more important than the human part because you're overwhelmed with this negative information, which is understandable, but probably not easy to do. But one of my main message is that there are options, even in a stage four situation, options that are proven to work and to survive this problem.
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And one of the main things that I will tell somebody that gets news like this is to be calm and to be open to options. Likely you're going to be told that you have to do this chemo or this radiation. If not, you're going to die in such time. But no, there are other options and with good results, and I will tell them that basically to thank their options thoroughly and to get information to be informed is very important. To talk with people, different people look for testimonials for different treatments, and more than anything, be calm and have hope that things are going to go well. Don't go into the negative state of mind right away. That's what my advice will be.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:04:25):
That's powerful because it speaks to fear and many, I guess, bad decisions are made when a person is fearful. They're really shocked and scared often. Do you think that's happening with cancer? Like bad decisions
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:04:41):
Are being recently, there was an experience in my family where, well, this person was diagnosed with cancer and she was in good condition, generally speaking, but she went into this state of mind that the information that she got was so powerful that she didn't want to do anything. And I spoke with this patient and told her that there was things, options, that it was not that final, but she decided to do a tenasia in California is legal, that you can take some pills and die.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:05:29):
Oh,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:05:30):
Yeah. So euthanasia. She decided to do that.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:05:33):
Really? Yeah. How tragic.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:05:36):
Yeah, the fear can get to that extreme where your fear of what they told you is going to happen, that you'll paralyze and do nothing.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:05:45):
Wow. You just decided to end her life.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:05:48):
She decided to end her life.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:05:51):
How sad.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:05:52):
How sad. Yeah. More when I know that there were things to do, I try to inform and tell and say, tell her. But it is a situation where each of us make our own decisions, but the decisions are influenced by what you're told. And in my experience, I knew that there were options to do. We treated many patients with that particular cancer as well. So I knew that there were things to do with the possibility of a good response. But no,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:06:39):
Her mind just wasn't, it was not engaged with any of that. How old was she?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:06:43):
I think she was in her seventies or so. She was in good condition even when she did that. Well, she was started, they told me, started to have some issues, but in general, she was able to do some treatments.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:06:58):
What type of cancer was it that she was diagnosed with?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:07:01):
Well, it's a personal thing, so I don't want fair enough to go into specifics, but it was more an example of how fear can paralyze you and can affect you to that degree on not looking for options.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:07:21):
So the doctors, the way the doctor delivers news is
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:07:24):
Really, it's very crucial, extremely important. And that's something that is not here, not here in the us but other places as well. You have to have ways of telling these kind of things, not just you have this and this is going to happen and these are the statistics. So you are like, well, me as a doctor, I can understand the numbers or the research or whatever, but a normal person with no medical knowledge, it's overwhelming, scary. So it can get to that degree.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:08:09):
Wow.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:08:09):
Yeah.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:08:10):
Wow. So the way that the doctor delivers the diagnosis or this type of information, it can play a role in recovery?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:08:20):
Definitely. And even plays out their own doctor's beliefs. Okay. Because here in the US, unfortunately you're limited to a certain treatments. And basically our insurance dictated treatments that you can do that insurance companies will accept to pay for each patient. So guidelines for treatments are like that for patients. And those are the only options that you have.
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So doctors also have these preconceived ideas sometimes that other than that is bad. And I am a training doctor, I'm a trained doctor in that mentality. And I understand that everything needs to be based on science and numbers. And we agree with that. All of our treatments are based with science and numbers, but they're out of these box, conventional box. And even in that situation, we have good numbers. But some doctors here, they have these guidelines with different lines of chemotherapies or different types of treatments, and they reflect this on the patient. So they give their guidelines options, and they tell them there's nothing else. You understand what I'm saying? So this other than this, you're going to die. So no, the message is that there's other things with good numbers, good statistics, even good research that is out of this box that can give you good results as well. So I'm not against these chemo guidelines or whatever. They work in very specific cases. The majority of cases they don't work. But that's when I'm coming in trying to give this message.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:10:38):
It's real powerful. Because what I hear you saying, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is that obviously in the United States, the medical doctor is, but I'm not
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:10:46):
Talking about only the US
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:10:47):
Worldwide. Worldwide.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:10:49):
That happens everywhere.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:10:52):
But the medical doctor looks at, okay, here's what insurance is going to pay for, which is conventional medicine, and here's the statistics for this type of patient and the outcome, which doesn't look very good. And he buys into that. Or she buys into that. As a medical doctor that, well, it's not going to be good. There's already a negativity. We've already lost.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:11:16):
Knowing that they have a 20% chance of response. They do it when the hypocrite thing that you do when you graduate as a doctor, you do the
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:11:32):
Hippocratic Oath.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:11:33):
Yeah, the Hippocratic Oath. You are not supposed to do that. It's going to fail. You have like 10%, 15%, and you are causing more damage than,
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:11:45):
Yeah, do no harm. Good. Yeah, do no harm.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:11:47):
And that's what I'm coming. So they buy into this belief that only doing this is the right thing. You understand what I'm
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:11:58):
Trying to say? Of course. And if the numbers look like it's going to fail, they deliver the message. What's going to fail? I mean, this is all we have.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:12:05):
Exactly. And they do it and they cause a lot of side effects and problems and make the situation
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:12:10):
Worse. And the patient is traumatized and afraid.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:12:13):
Imagine. Yeah. So it's really hard treatments to have. And yeah. So the thing is that how you give this news to a patient, going back to that is going to have a very powerful effect on the decision that you make. And to the point where, well, this happened with a close person. And even myself, with all the experience and all the small little or lot knowledge that I have on these situations, I was not able to convince this person to do otherwise. Wow. And she decided to do this dramatic end. So that's probably a good example on how important this, how to give this information is
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:13:12):
A lack of compassion can kill someone
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:13:15):
Basically. Yes, it did. Yeah.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:13:21):
Sad. Wow. Amazing, amazing story. Thank you for sharing that. What are some of the things that a patient can receive in Mexico or the Tijuana, Mexico that they can't receive in the United States? And does that mean that because they can receive 'em in Mexico and they can't to the United States that they're, well, those dangerous treatments or therapies that they're doing in Mexico, because that's why they're not legal in the United States. That's
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:13:49):
The same situation that we're talking about. That is not in this box. It doesn't mean that it's bad. The thing is that what F D A, which is the one that regulate agency that regulates everything here, they have certain rules to prevent. So there's a medication that are under research right now, and because of the process that it must go through to be able to be given to the patient. Here, it's a process of around 20 years, so something that is working right now, it will be available to the public probably in 20 years or so.
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There's some treatments like hypothermia. Some hospitals are already doing it here in the us some treatments. There's some treatments that are not going to get to that degree of F D a approval, but it doesn't mean that they don't work. Okay. Definitely their research done in other countries, and they are even approved in other countries in Europe are a little, Germany in particular is more a little bit more relaxed on allowing these type of treatments. In Mexico in particular, we have to have some research protocols and they're supervised by the government for us to be able to do these type of treatments. It's not like we have a free hand on doing everything we want just because we want, there's some regulation, there's some regulation there that we need to follow. So the US is great. They have the best medical advances and is great, but what it's available to the public right now is not everything there is. There's many other things that are very knowledgeable, are very useful and have very good results. But the process that it takes for something to get to the public is very, very, very, very long. So that's why we have to go out of the FDA agency jurisdiction to be able to do these type of treatments. But we have good numbers, we have good research behind it and we are supervised as well.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:16:25):
So it's not like Mexico healthcare is running wild. I mean there's a government there that's overseeing as well, but
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:16:32):
We have our own agencies and our own regulation and our codes and everything that we need to follow.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:16:40):
The benefit is somebody goes to Tijuana, Mexico right now to Immunity Therapy Center, for example. Somebody goes there, they're going to be able to receive maybe a drug or some type of treatment or therapy that just has not been approved in the United States and may never well be approved. But there's some good data behind it and why you should incorporate it.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:17:00):
And nowadays the surprise is that many alternative treatments now went through that process and now being able to be given. In the US we're talking about different intravenous solutions, different therapies like hyperthermia, like local hyperthermia. So there's many I cannot think of specifically, but there are many that different clinics and hospitals are giving right now to patients that were 10 years ago, they were not able to. So now that is happening, but that's because already went through that very long process. So what we're doing is giving these treatments right today and we are able to do that because of the Mexican government allowing us to do it through some specific regulations.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:17:57):
Okay, that's great. That's encouraging, that is encouraging. Where do you think the future of cancer treatment is? What are some of the new things where you think this is hopeful, this could really, really benefit us in getting the upper hand with cancer?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:18:14):
Well, cancer, to have cancer, a lot of things need to happen genetically how you are, you have to have certain genetic predisposition, environmental diet, a lot of things needs to come together for a person to develop a cancer. They're different. There's a lot of variables. That's why it's so difficult to treat cancer because even in the same colon cancer, the same type of cancer genetically can be very different. So one cancer will respond really well to something and the next patient it won't. So that's why it's very difficult. I don't think there's not going to be a silver bullet, but I think what offers more hope is immunotherapy ways. We're still in diapers. We were one of the first that we started doing or addressing the importance of the immune system in cancer, trying to do it through methods that we think, and we were proven right later on that doing these different stimulations and trying these different procedures are going to have a very beneficial effect on cancer. But still we need to identify so many different proteins, so many different genetic expressions in different types of cancers and develop specific medications, whatever that are going to modify that expression. That is very difficult.
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But definitely I think at least our institution is in the right direction and we already have very good results with it. Obviously we want to cure everybody. Sometimes we don't do it, but we always try. But I think the field that offers more hope is immunotherapy objectively. That's what I can answer. You got
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:20:47):
It. Okay. Because immunotherapy would mean means a lot. Yeah. The development of maybe different medications that procedures or checkpoints and work with the immune system so that the immune system can adapt to the environment that it's in.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:21:02):
But again, there's these all other stimulation, external stimulation from the environment, so that need to be addressed as well
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:21:13):
Still have to do that. You still need to take care of that too.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:21:15):
So it's all these variables that is difficult. It's going to be almost impossible because all the industries, all these other things, for example, pollution most of the time works more as estrogen like stimulation. Many chemicals do that that are used in industries that are thrown into the water or into the air. That means that many of those behave like estrogen-like stimulation in the body, in a female, in a woman that have already the predisposition to develop breast cancer and have the right genetic if you put them in contact now with this more polluted environment, with these type of substances, a girl five, six years old is going to be constantly stimulated with this estrogen like substances through the water or through the air or whatever. So that stimulation is going to be there and then you can do everything to fight the tumor and everything or have the latest medications.
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But if that is not corrected, the stimulation is going to be there and the cancer will happen. So the same with different toxic things that will make your immune system to suppress function. A lot of the problems with developing cancer is because well, toxicity, heavy metal toxicity, chemical toxicity, all of these toxicities are very important because finally what is going to create it is an immune suppression and if your immune system is not able to respond, anything can happen. And unfortunately what happens with all these stimulation tumor happens lymphomas. There was this pollutant that it was in, we killer that it's proven, proven that if you are in contact with us, you're going to have lymphoma. So that many things unfortunately. So you need to change that and that's what we know in those were very obvious cases that where the relation was made, but there's like a thousand million of chemical thrown into the environment that are causing these type of reactions. So all of that needs to be addressed as well at the same time.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:23:59):
Do you think this is why we're having more and more children getting cancer?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:24:03):
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. There's a very direct relation between toxic environment and cancer development.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:24:12):
So the immune systems of children are being suppressed or defeated at younger ages or they're beginning to have to bear a load, I guess at an earlier age.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:24:23):
Absolutely. It's not the same toxic load that we had to go through when we were young than the children. Right now, industries and everything are more, well nowadays seems like there's more aware of this problem, but I think more is needed definitely to the point where diseases like this are affected. A lot more needs to happen with our environment.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:24:58):
Okay, wow. Yeah. You mentioned earlier you don't think there's ever going to be a silver bullet for cancer. It's going to be a multifaceted approach. It
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:25:06):
Needs to be from controlling the environment, controlling our bodies, what we put in there. So there's different variables. So you can have a very good medication that will destroy a tumor completely, but likely if all these stimulation and all these toxic situation keep happening, the cancer will come back or will spread. Because when a cancer happens, even when we notice it, when the patient is aware of having it, even in a stage one, there's already cancer cells circulating in the bloodstream. So you can kill the tumor and you can do everything, but if you don't take care of the immune system to protect you from this cancer from coming back, it's going to come back. So if you have all these toxic environment, bad situations that will suppress your immune system, likely that will happen. So definitely it need to be a multi-level approach, meaning that different levels needs to be addressed from the environmental to research on different immunotherapies for different cancers. We are talking about cancer if it was one, but there's hundreds different types of cancers. So you make the math and it's a very enormous task
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:26:52):
Because a lot of times when people think about cancer, they think of it like, well, it's all the same, but you had just mentioned there's over a hundred different types of cancers, probably over 200 cancers, and then there's subtypes
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:27:02):
And within them they're different. Even with the same type, they have different genetic expressions. They will respond to something, the next one will not.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:27:12):
And this is why you can have two patients on the same protocols or maybe even slightly different protocols, and they have two completely different responses. Yes, one does better. One,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:27:23):
Yeah, absolutely. One survives and the other one die and you have the same patient basically.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:27:31):
And then the other component that you mentioned earlier was the fear, which is all mental, right? That the patient, if
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:27:35):
You add to that, yeah, absolutely. Emotions are really important as well. The emotional response, how you're, well, it's already documented, the relation between stress and cancer, and we come back to the reason because stress will suppress your immune response. That's basically what happens. So yeah, definitely stress emotions are an important part of, many people say that after suffering a traumatic event, they developed cancer, but that's because of the stress suppressing the immune response.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:28:15):
So we really need to stay calm.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:28:18):
Well, there's different variables. That's what I'm trying to say. It's not one thing or one reason why you have or develop a cancer. There's many different parts of it to genetic to the environment. So that's why the difficulty on fighting this problem.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:28:34):
Got it. Wow. So I have a question for you. God forbid, God forbid, but if Dr. Bautista got a cancer diagnosis tomorrow, stage four, what would you do?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:28:47):
Well, look, my options, I'm not depending on the type of cancer, because what I'm saying, for example, testicular cancers respond well to chemotherapy and we have a testicular cancer that we know are going to respond well to chemotherapy. We'll tell them, you know what? This cancer responds well. You have 95% chance of being in remission with this particular type of chemo protocol, so do it. Right? You have one of those cancers. Then definitely I will have the chemotherapy because I know that my chances are on the part on the side of getting better and beat this cancer. Unfortunately, that's not what happens with many other cancers. Hodgkin's lymphoma, for example, have good response with chemotherapy as well. So yeah, definitely. So depends, right. Again, what I'm trying to tell you is that I'm not close to anything. If whatever works, obviously that is going to keep you in good condition, that's what I will do.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:29:57):
That's what you would do for yourself. Yeah. Okay. One of the first times that we ever met, you expressed to me that immunity therapy center was more than alternative medicine. Exactly. Explain what you mean by that.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:30:14):
Exactly what I'm telling you right now on a situation that you put me on, if I was diagnosed with cancer, we do whatever we think is going to work for the patient, regardless if it's conventional or nonconventional. We want to keep the patient in good condition and give them the best chance of overcoming this problem. The problem is with chemotherapy and radiation that unfortunately chances and most of the time are against having a good result. That's the main issue. So that's why we do things different, but again, we're more than alternative medicine because when we talk with patients, we put everything on the table and we make the decision along with the patient on what they want to do, obviously on our recommendations, and legally we have to do it anyway, but definitely we want to combine most of the time. That's why we use these targeted form of low dose chemo where we try to maximize the effect of using these conventional medications, not affecting the body, not affecting the immune system mainly. So that's what I can answer you, that we want the best for the patient and we have these alternative methods if you want to call them like that, but it's just part of a whole
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Where we want the best outcome. That's all we want.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:31:55):
It's an approach where you're protecting the immune or strengthening the immune system as you're trying to kill cancer cells.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:32:03):
Correct.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:32:04):
Okay, that's good. That's good to know. What else do you think that patients should know about Immunity Therapy Center that we haven't discussed so far?
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:32:15):
Well, probably that's the main thing. What I was just mentioning, that we're more than alternative medicine, that we are, that we care, that we try to find an answer, a solution to whatever problem, however complicated and that we are going to follow through, and that we're going to be very honest and transparent about what we think and about what we think is going to happen. You have to remember that also patients pay for treatment because we're not under any insurances or anything like that. So we are very conscious of that as well, that patients financially are doing this and that place. Also, we want to maximize to make sure that we are of benefit, that we are a good investment for what they're paying us. We want to give them good results, but at the same time, if we see that we are not going to give back, we are very clear and honest about it.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:33:38):
That makes a huge difference because obviously medical insurance will not pay for this. Patients making their own investment of their own dollars and cents into their own healthcare. So it's,
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:33:47):
And North price is really modest compared to prices in the us but still, when you are paying from your pocket, it is difficult and we always want to make sure that definitely it is a good decision for them.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:34:07):
And at that point too, you're not working for the health insurance company or working for the patient. They're the customer. So could change. Yeah, that's
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:34:14):
The way it should be. That's the way it should be. Absolutely.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:34:18):
Timing for the patient. How important is the timing to take action from the time they get a diagnosis? I mean, should a patient be waiting a year to make a decision on what they're going to do or how does timing play a role into recovery or
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:34:35):
Getting, it needs to be immediate. The thing is that cancer doesn't care about when you're getting treatments. They're growing every day. The cancers grow every day. They multiply by millions of cells every day. So definitely the sooner the better that you get treatment. Unfortunately, because of overcrowding of the medical system first to get the diagnosis of the cancer, it can take you months to begin with. You go to the doctor and then you are having pain, and then you get a month later, a CT scan, and then another two months for due to see the doctors, and then another month for the biopsy and then another two months to something. So then already eight months pass. And that's critical time in a cancer situation because obviously the more cancer load you have, the more chances that the cancer will go elsewhere or metastasized. So definitely timing on trying to get diagnosis and treatment needs to be as soon as possible. Unfortunately, because of overcrowding of the medical system, takes a very long time to get to the treatment phase.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:35:58):
What you just described, that eight month, how quickly can that be done at immunity therapy center In
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:36:05):
A week? In a week or maybe days even, because we have all the resources there and we have or one place to do the biopsy or one place to do, or CT scanners or doctors to review everything and to do the treatment right away.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:36:26):
And you don't have the hurdle of the medical insurance industry either. You
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:36:29):
Don't have the hurdle on that. And that's with everything. It's approved with no problems. Right. Because definitely insurances will always question everything, and that's very unfortunate and that's very, very unfortunate
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:36:47):
Because the patient is losing, they're losing time and they're losing their
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:36:49):
Life. Losing time. And they're losing their life. Yeah.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:36:51):
Okay, got it. That's impressive that what may take six or eight months in the United States could get done at Immunity Therapy Center. It
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:37:00):
Should be done like that everywhere. These are life-threatening situations where it needs to be addressed quickly. But unfortunately that doesn't happen.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:37:11):
And you duplicate it on your daily meetings with your doctors as well in order to make decisions quickly.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:37:17):
Yeah, well, sometimes we get patients, the minority of them, very small percentage, but come not diagnosed already. So we do that process quickly, quickly, quickly in days, so we have everything ready to go
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:37:33):
Process. That's great.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:37:35):
So sometimes we need a specific markers or genetic markers that they take about 10 days or so to have them back. So sometimes it takes a little longer than a week by days, but not long. Not like it is.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:37:53):
That's good to know. Fantastic. Thank you Dr. Beta. That's really, really informative, really helpful. You're
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:37:59):
Welcome. Robert.
Robert A. Carrillo, Host (01:38:00):
Dr. Barista, we have covered a lot of topics today and I want to say thank you. Thank you, first of all for becoming a doctor, and I'm grateful that even though there was a difficult set of circumstances with your father that brought you to this place, I'm thankful that something good happened through those set of circumstances, through that difficulty that you've taken that energy to do good in the world, you're doing a good work, continue to do the good work. You have a incredible team. I think it's incredible that your team has made up of some people that you've known since childhood. Yeah, yeah. Some of 'em, right? I think that that's fantastic and I look forward to hearing and seeing what the future will bring in the next 10, 15, 20 years at Immunity Therapy Center. We are optimistic that nothing but better things will continue to develop as the years go on and as you continue to do research and learn new things. So we're really thankful for you coming in here today and for the work that you're doing.
Dr. Carlos Bautista M.D. (01:39:15):
Well, thank you, Robert. It was an honor. Sorry, a pleasure being here. And yes, well, life is like this. We know what direction is going to take. You need to be optimistic and you need to fight back and do your best. And that's what I'm trying to do. Like you said, it was not easy. It's not easy dealing every day. Sometimes with this, with cancer, it gets to you sometimes, but you have to have the commitment and the discipline to keep researching, studying and trying to be updated on all areas so we can give the best service. So my commitment is that to continue doing the same and well, thank you for having me, and hopefully the message gets out because it needs to get out there, like I mentioned, for patients to know about this. It's very important. So thank you. Thank you, Robert. Thank you to your organization, cancer Doctors, for having me, for bringing me here, and Carlos, and we appreciate it a lot. Thank you very much. Thank you. Alright, you take care.